[marty is ruling]

We've all seen them. The guys who complain about getting shot.

They say the other guy is firing too hot. Occasionally this is true, but mostly they get mad because of the pain.

Or...

They get angry at the players around them for not seeing the guy who snuck into a sniper position. Forget about the fact that there are plenty of sneaky bastards out there who have a tremendous amount of patience and skill to quietly sneak into position and wait for a target. No, that guy couldn't possibly have done a great job of getting in there. It's everyone else's fault for not having protected this one guy. I guess he forgot to send the memo.

But mostly....

These people complain about getting hit more than once. This happens a lot in Big games. You have anywhere from two to thirty people shooting at you...you can expect not to just get hit by one kill shot.

The people that get me are the ones who stay exactly where they were when they got shot without putting their gun up in the air to signal the other players.
Some of them say nothing until they get hit again. And boy, is it fun to watch the temper tantrum.

Some of them say they are hit. People stop shooting at them. They casually get thier stuff together (meanwhile they're in the middle of a big fire-fight) and casually walk off the field. Sometimes they get shot again. Who knows if it was some guy who just came a top the hill and saw a guy moving in the open. I've seen guys get hit walking off the line. They turn around and scream bloody murder at the other team. Usually I tell them, "Raise your gun up". Most of the guys look like they've played paintball before. I desperately want to call them dummies, but I'm polite.

Some of them calmly say they are hit. Meanwhile the guys they are talking to are at least 30 yards away with guns going off all around them..not to mention all the yelling. But the players were talking about expect everyone to have super hearing that is somehow able to pick their voice of out of a hundred or so other people yelling and carrying on. They get hit....out comes the tantrum.

I ran into one of these guys at the Pentagon. They were an airplane insertion. And the officer leading them out 'em in the worst spot imaginable...in the middle of our entire team. They never stood a chance.

I was firing in the front. I was supposed to be suppresive fire while some other guys were moving into position. There were six guys (I think) inside the pentagon. I was firing on the side of the lil' base that could that was facing towards the hill. That side provided those inside with cover and gave them easy shots to fire outside. I was exposed in the open and let loose with full auto on the front of the base...while my teammates moved to their exposed flanks.
I was taking light fire, but it was the "desperate oh crap this guy has full auto kind of fire" it was hitting everything but me. I wasn't expecting to hit anyone but I did. Guy raises up his gun...everyone stps shooting...guy leaves. Example made.
One of the few reaming guys resumes fire as do I. I fired for abut twenty thrity more seconds when I hear screaming coming from inside the bunk. The ref calls for cease fire and out pops a guy yelling at me that he was hit. He wasn't nice about it. So, I congratulated him. He yelled again, "I said, I was hit" and he stood there with his head cocked.
"Well then quit screwin around and get outta there", I replied.
I'm not sure what else the guy was yelling about, but at this point I was tired of this guy's attitude.
I waved and said "buh-bye".

I'm not sure at what point I hit this guy, but until he screamed he was hit..I had no clue. Now maybe I'm wrong...but he looked like a guy who had played before. His gear didn't look new, it wasn't rented and it was the knd of gear that seasoned players who are familiar with paintball products use.
Every place I have been to...it's stressed. When you're hit. Yell out that you're hit and raise up your gun.

Not everyone does this. Most of them are new and don't know to do it. Some of them are seasoned players. None, but a few will throw a hissy fit if they're hit again. But when those lil hissy fits come...they sure are fun to watch.

[1996xj]

marty is ruling, on Feb 11 2009, 03:10 PM, said:

They get angry at the players around them for not seeing the guy who snuck into a sniper position. Forget about the fact that there are plenty of sneaky bastards out there who have a tremendous amount of patience and skill to quietly sneak into position and wait for a target. No, that guy couldn't possibly have done a great job of getting in there. It's everyone else's fault for not having protected this one guy. I guess he forgot to send the memo.

But mostly....

These people complain about getting hit more than once. This happens a lot in Big games. You have anywhere from two to thirty people shooting at you...you can expect not to just get hit by one kill shot.

The people that get me are the ones who stay exactly where they were when they got shot without putting their gun up in the air to signal the other players.
Some of them say nothing until they get hit again. And boy, is it fun to watch the temper tantrum.

Some of them say they are hit. People stop shooting at them. They casually get thier stuff together (meanwhile they're in the middle of a big fire-fight) and casually walk off the field. Sometimes they get shot again. Who knows if it was some guy who just came a top the hill and saw a guy moving in the open. I've seen guys get hit walking off the line. They turn around and scream bloody murder at the other team. Usually I tell them, "Raise your gun up". Most of the guys look like they've played paintball before. I desperately want to call them dummies, but I'm polite.

This is one reason i perfer to play by myself in openplay, and for some reason my team alays likes to shoot my back Most of the time i do better by myself, you cant exactly be sneaky when you have a teamate spraying next to you.

Speaking of ppl throwing tantrums during games, last year i was VERY disappointed to see a regular REF doing it while playing. It was my first time trying out the speedball field, our team consisted of the expeirenced player (ref) and a few new ppl with rentals. Anyway we lost the rd and he starts screaming at everyone for not communicating. COME ON, its there first time playing and there out there to have fun. An its openplay not like a competion or something.

[1996xj]

Chaos, on Feb 11 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

Unfortunately, there are people that do not know to raise their guns. I always seem to be on the opposite end of the spectrum. I am hit, I raise my gun, I continue to take fire, I waive my gun back and forth in the air. I continue to take fire. Finally an opening in the fire comes, and I am allowed to exit the bunker with out taking a million hits. I take 10 steps from my bunker, gun in the air the whole time, and get lit up. Then I feel justified to yell at the idiot, inform him of his stupidity, school him on the rules, and inform a ref....

I remember a older player cussing ppl out everytime he got shot when hes walking off the field with his gun pointed towards the ground. He was just casually walking across the field like a DMW or something. What do you expect when your to lazy to signal that your out

[marty is ruling]

Chaos, on Feb 11 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

I take 10 steps from my bunker, gun in the air the whole time, and get lit up. Then I feel justified to yell at the idiot, inform him of his stupidity, school him on the rules, and inform a ref....

That's happened to me too, but only during big battles. Almost always it's a one or two shot hit in my back and then it stops. I attribute that to the shooters just tracking movement and not seeing the gun raised at first.

I have been pinned and there are people who won't let you out because they don't know the raised gun deal. But I found that if you put your barrel cover on they get they at least stop shooting long enough to hear you say you're hit.

[mechanic]

I have taken additional fire after raising my marker and calling out........Usually I blow my whistle and punch their card for overshooting.

[Cobra77]

Never really had too many issues ecept one open play day last summer. There was one guy there during the whole session, every game he was wiping and overshooting (not just towards me, but I was just watching him). One game at the village we were in a battle and he hit me. I called myself out and walked to the sidelines, passed the ropes and started walking back to the dead zone. I then took about 6 more shots in the back as Im walking gun up out of bounds. There was nobody else between him and me, not sure what his deal was that day.

[Mars]

You guys completely miss the point... These people are obviously way too important to be bothered by the... what are they called, oh yea... the rules of the game. They are more important than you, and waaay more important than I. I know this, because I see them driving in construction zones... you know the guy... He drives past the MILES of signs telling him that his lane is merging, yet he will wait until the last possible moment to pull into the merging lane, thus causing that lane to slow down even more. This is because whatever is doing and wherever he is going is more important than where I am going, or to be bothered by being considerate to me and the other drivers around me. Anyway, I digress. This is the same bloodclot, er, I mean very important person, who can't be bothered with holding his gun up in the air, or yelling "out", or NOT WALKING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER FIREFIGHT. Of course they should be angry because you weren't paying enough attention to THEIR game, and what THEY WERE DOING. I believe it was Chaos who suggested that these bloodcl... sorry, very important players, "are people that do not know to raise their guns". I wish to correct this urban legend. There is NO ONE in the sport, who has played more than three games, that does not know this.

I will say, that I play a different kind of game/strategy myself. If/when I get tagged, I will call my self out (only once), put my barrel cover on (promptly) and walk (not run) to the out-of-bounds. If the players from the other team choose to waste their paint on me, rather than shoot at my teammates (who are still live and in the game), then I will allow this to continue without shouting at the player overshooting or at a referee. Keep in mind fella's, that the numbers of paintballs they continue to fire at me, is a number directly inverse to their IQ,... and we shouldn't make fun of the handicapped.

[Mars]

And if we're going to have a thread about the complainers in paintball... Dave is going to need more bandwidth, because I could write Tomes about complainers and the various subtopics.


<grins>

[marty is ruling]

Mars, on Feb 11 2009, 09:26 PM, said:

I will say, that I play a different kind of game/strategy myself. If/when I get tagged, I will call my self out (only once), put my barrel cover on (promptly) and walk (not run) to the out-of-bounds. If the players from the other team choose to waste their paint on me, rather than shoot at my teammates (who are still live and in the game), then I will allow this to continue without shouting at the player overshooting or at a referee.

That's pretty good strategy actually. If you can take the shots to the back or kidneys...it might be a way to help your team out.

But I've found that running draws more attention.
When I run out of ammo or air I'll try and be a diversion for my team when they want to move. WHenever I walk out slowly and even shooting I'm almost always IGNORED and the shooters take aim at other people thinking I'm already dead. I walked more than 40 yards in the open from the hills of Castle Rock to the road and if my air wasn't nearly out I could have shot a ton of people. THey let me walk within twenty feet of them.

But when I run..I always get shot at.

I might be inclined to try that little trick Mars. Put my barrel cover on, keep my gun down and run.

[MasterMind]

Nice one Mars!

Ive had a few problems like that, most of them at the field located in Whitmore Lake, and with the same guy...

you might of seen him around, he has horns on his mask with one of them half broken off. This guy has a temper of a MOAB! I have seen this guy make kids cry for not moving up, with the kids mother on the sidelines watching. I felt soo bad for the kid and his mother, that I went up to then as they were packing up to try to save him from droping out of the sport.

Then I overheard him yelling at a player and a ref at TWC near the castle, I dident pay much attention to the arguement because I saw the horns... so I walked in the other direction.

he is a good player, and I would like to have him on my team... just as long as he keeps his cool.

then during another time at the field at Whitmore Lake, I was playing on a field in the far back corner. As we were moving up a few other players called on me to supress a player behind an over turned wagon, so I delivered. little did I know that he was laying prone in front of the over turned wagon. thankfully the refs quickly let me know there was someone in front and that he was out. after the game I went up to the player to apoligize for overshooting and to explane that I could not see him through the thick weeds.

[Ddoogy101]

Overshooting was never a problem too me.
Usually its just cause you get in the way cause theres so many other people playing

[mechanic]

Some one needs to start a thread call Mars on Life. I would be a regular reader in that one.

[Ddoogy101]

lol
ill start it

[droachmega]

i always let overshooting slide for rec play, but if your overshooting me during a tournament then i will say something and try to draw a penalty on that team.