[Mars]

There's something we need to address. A female, non-player, in a "Press" vest, threw a paint grenade at a player, and hit them square in the mask. On two other occasions, male, non-players, in "Press" vests, were walking around the field (wanting to observe the game) and identifying enemy positions on a radio. I did not come across these people. It was brought to my attention by the referees who saw it happen. The defense given by the people wearing the Press vests was, "they were Press Spies, and there was nothing in the rules that said it couldn't be done". In my opinion, that is weak, and these people are lucky I did not come across them, as I would've escorted them off the grounds, and kindly ask them to never play paintball again (ANYWHERE). This is cheating beyond the pale, and using the rules in this manner is horsecrap. The rules don't spell out that I can't stand on the top of the highlands and urinate on the players below, either, but I would think it would be clearly understood as WRONG. I would like to see an amendment made to the rules, covering ALL "Press" people, and ALL non-player observers, to state "No radios or phones allowed on the field (cameras ONLY, NOT phones with cameras in them", and "No interaction with players, such as, talking to players, nor throwing smoke/paint grenades, nor shooting at players", and a clause that explains the instant dismissal for violating this rule.

For my part, I would like to apologize to any players who fell victim to this kind of behavior, and I can assure you IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

[mechanic]

On Suday afternoon, one of the Chinese officers came to be and told me that he caught the female in the press jersey pointing out US positions to her boyfriend on China. He took them both off the field and gave them to the insertion reffs, once I got involved I contacted Shaun. I did see that "spying" was taken to a whole new level this year. I actually found a player with a mexican jersey and a mexican tag playing on the US team. I was told that he wanted to play on the US team and had been doing it all weekend long. Unfortunatly I didnt catch him untill midway through the 4th quarter. My question is, why wasnt this caught at the insertion gate. I might be the only one who feels this way about it, but wanting to win is great, Cheating to do it sucks.

[GHOST]

That particular press spy was delt with right away after we had been informed of her incident(s). She was informed that she and/or no one else would ever be allowed to do that, no matter the situation at hand. There has already been a discussion on how to amend those rules between myself and the office. I can assure you that it will be in the rules in the near future.

[airbornetim82]

I think you guys may have misiturpreted what you seen the male press doing. They where helping the vet in the wheel chair. I am only stating that because that is what Me and Team defiant may have been seen doing along wit hthe miss inturpratation and how it may have looked. I know my self and Spencer did not have radios yes we did have our phones out and where using them for the camera. THat was what many people may have seen and misiturpreated. Fot that I do appologize we where not radioing back or calling each other. I was only ttaking the interesed of the vet and the safty for him and the chair in mind due to what we incountered in the village and also by arch me and trashman got pretty lit up using ourselves for human shields so bill would not be over shot.

[GHOST]

Not by any means Airbornetim. I as well as mars and garbageman, and speedy were with you as well as another one of my refferees. We knew 100% what you were doing sir. This was about a few of the women press jersey's on the field. What we had going for the vet was 100% my call with the amount of help he was recieving. And i do thank all that was involved with bringing him as well as action trackchair out to our event. It was a very succesful run the two times i was in it. I loved seeing him smile when we got off the field. Thank you once again.

[mechanic]

Honestly, unless they have a camera in hand, why would they need to be out there? Unless of course it was to aid someone who say lit me the hell up in that terminator wheel chair.

[lonegunmen]

I spoke to an older gentlemen who told me he was on the field watching his son play on team Russia, which I was also on. I had a nice chat with him and we wandered around abit after taking Tippmann Towers/Highlands area. I can't recall if his son came up to him at any point while I was chatting with him. I have no doubt he was a Dad watching his son play though.
I also saw and spoke with a person in vest off the side of the village field. It may have been the same father. I and no players on Russian team reported/saw any 'funny business' from press people/observers during both days of play.

[Grimm]

I did not see any funny biz from press people. I did see however, game spies not keepin their player tags out to be seen at all times! I know I read the rules many times and came across 3 spies on Saturday alone that had their tags inside a pocket. A ref that was standing 4 feet from me saw this because I had to ask the spy to see his tag and he had to stop and pull it from his pocket. I personally thought this was wrong and that player should be given a ref punch but the ref let it go. That was the only trouble I really had with spys and cheating. I could be totally out of line but I'm just sayin. Other than that, it was a great time!

[confederate army]

my tags were always exposed
i thought about spying as a press person...didnt get much further than that tho

[jonm]

mechanic, on 27 June 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

I actually found a player with a mexican jersey and a mexican tag playing on the US team. I was told that he wanted to play on the US team and had been doing it all weekend long. Unfortunatly I didnt catch him untill midway through the 4th quarter. My question is, why wasnt this caught at the insertion gate. I might be the only one who feels this way about it, but wanting to win is great, Cheating to do it sucks.

How is the chinese guy playing with USA cheating? He had the correct jersey and tag, if he creates a one-off alliance with USA, isn't that between him and them, and maybe the rest of the Chinese team that considers him a traitor and shoots him on first sight?? I remember several years ago I was stuck in the dead box right before the lunch break (10-15min). Since there was no time to regroup with anybody, everybody in the deadbox just created a temporary alliance and attached the village, I think it was a mix of USA, Russia, and China, and about 15 people). I didn't consider that cheating. We just want to shoot people and have fun!

[mechanic]

He violated about a half dozen rules. If it were ok to do what he did, it would not have gone to an admin situation like it did.

[confederate army]

well c.i.a does not care about alliances, this includes insertions, 2 nations cannot insert right next to eachother, they can both depart on their walk out to their bases they own but must be dropped off at a base their flag is in, they cannot insert at a allies base nor hot insert togeather in any way... even a spy cannot insert with another team

[jonm]

mechanic, on 29 June 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

He violated about a half dozen rules. If it were ok to do what he did, it would not have gone to an admin situation like it did.

I agree that this guy should'nt be allowed to insert with USA, because he isn't USA. Other than that, where are these half a dozen rules he violated? I read through the rules on the website, I don't see anything about fighting with another team...?

[DETROIT COMMANDOS]

jonm, on 29 June 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

mechanic, on 29 June 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

He violated about a half dozen rules. If it were ok to do what he did, it would not have gone to an admin situation like it did.

I agree that this guy should'nt be allowed to insert with USA, because he isn't USA. Other than that, where are these half a dozen rules he violated? I read through the rules on the website, I don't see anything about fighting with another team...?

I actually PERSONALLY know the person everyone THINKS was "cheating" and there was never a point where Mexican soldiers Deployed into the field amongst the US ARMY, However, this person walked away from his army (Mexico) and decided on his own, to wave down a few US soldiers on SUNDAY 4th Quarter ONLY and asked us not to Shoot him, his team was eliminated except himself and he decided its best to join us or face the fate, he Himself held down the Highlands SOLO and only killed MAYBE 3 people to prevent them from replacing a flag inside, to keep it NEUTRAL, he never touched a US flag, but had a PERSONAL agreement with some of them to DEFECT. There is NO RULES saying you MUST obey an order by your team members, He can choose to walk, fight, frag out anything he chooses, wether its against his own people or not, No Rules were broken, shooting your own people isnt a rule violation, Placing other flags of other countries is, Carrying enemy flags away is, he NEVER touched a enemy flag to gain them points, THIS IS PART OF THE GAME, I PERSONALLY last year was shot 4 times in the small of my back by a FELLOW GERMAN OFFICER with 15 tags hanging from his neck, and he had a CURRENT 2011 GERMAN tag but was fighting he said FOR MIKE FROM FUBAR REPRESENTING CANADA, and after my pain settled, i agreed thats part of the game, and the 10 of us who were POINT BLANKED walked away saying...Man, he got us good, well hey, THAT IS WHAT IT IS< PART OF THE GAME FELLAS, TRUST NOONE, THIS IS what EVERYONE knows for years, There are spys, theyre EVERYWHERE on EVERY ARMY

[confederate army]

DETROIT COMMANDOS, on 29 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

jonm, on 29 June 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

mechanic, on 29 June 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

He violated about a half dozen rules. If it were ok to do what he did, it would not have gone to an admin situation like it did.

I agree that this guy should'nt be allowed to insert with USA, because he isn't USA. Other than that, where are these half a dozen rules he violated? I read through the rules on the website, I don't see anything about fighting with another team...?

I actually PERSONALLY know the person everyone THINKS was "cheating" and there was never a point where Mexican soldiers Deployed into the field amongst the US ARMY, However, this person walked away from his army (Mexico) and decided on his own, to wave down a few US soldiers on SUNDAY 4th Quarter ONLY and asked us not to Shoot him, his team was eliminated except himself and he decided its best to join us or face the fate, he Himself held down the Highlands SOLO and only killed MAYBE 3 people to prevent them from replacing a flag inside, to keep it NEUTRAL, he never touched a US flag, but had a PERSONAL agreement with some of them to DEFECT. There is NO RULES saying you MUST obey an order by your team members, He can choose to walk, fight, frag out anything he chooses, wether its against his own people or not, No Rules were broken, shooting your own people isnt a rule violation, Placing other flags of other countries is, Carrying enemy flags away is, he NEVER touched a enemy flag to gain them points, THIS IS PART OF THE GAME, I PERSONALLY last year was shot 4 times in the small of my back by a FELLOW GERMAN OFFICER with 15 tags hanging from his neck, and he had a CURRENT 2011 GERMAN tag but was fighting he said FOR MIKE FROM FUBAR REPRESENTING CANADA, and after my pain settled, i agreed thats part of the game, and the 10 of us who were POINT BLANKED walked away saying...Man, he got us good, well hey, THAT IS WHAT IT IS< PART OF THE GAME FELLAS, TRUST NOONE, THIS IS what EVERYONE knows for years, There are spys, theyre EVERYWHERE on EVERY ARMY

if he was one of the kids that had their jerseys on one sholder thats fine, they came and let me know so i could tell the team whats up. well i do suppose you are correct tho, their is nothing in the rules that state a player cannot shoot their own team.... but thats not spying, thats shooting your own team... i can understand if it was something on the field where his army died or left him and insted of surrendering he joined forces with them for a run . but still, shooting your own team is shooting your own team and nothing more. also no their is nothing and never will be anything in the rules about one must obey the orders of a team/nation but yet again to act cool and shoot your own team to help another is a dirty dirty move